[melodie]

You say that, and yet you gave another noob detailed instructions on how to do a system hack to hide his partitions on another thread, and now his system is borked to a state of unuseability.

You missed the main part : his system was borked before he had a chance to try.

On the other hand, I know a few things about udev rules, there is no reason for it to break the system.

His post shows that he did something in the user configuration which is not liked by the session manager. So I gave him the instructions to repair his configs by copying the default configs from within /etc/skel. We will see next how he manages with that.

Just a note: The /usr/share/applications folder is indeed an easy way to grab launchers for the desktop, in addition to using copy/paste though, you can also just grab, drag, and drop it on the desktop. You can also open the main menu and grab a program and utilize drag-n-drop to drag it to either the desktop, or to the panel (another nice piece of functionality that many panels like tint2 and lxpanel do not have).

What I said is not about the effect of dragging, but about doing this with a file manager opened as root. It's a dangerous method for beginners and for advanced users as well. And it's not even necessary. And also when you stated about that, you didn't give details : when to use it as root, for what. A beginner could think he just has to drag/drop a program downloaded on the web to somewhere in the system, as a root user. Fancy that ?

I don't say drag and drop is not fine and easy. I just never think about doing it this way.

[Dragynn]

What I said is not about the effect of dragging, but about doing this with a file manager opened as root. It's a dangerous method for beginners and for advanced users as well. .

It's not like they aren't eventually going to find the "open as administrator" option when they right-click something, it won't take more than a couple of "access denied, you do not have permission" before people look for it. Just my opinion, but I think it's better to go ahead and make them aware of it, and of the risks. These are adults we are talking about, not school kids that need to be kept out of the root account.

Any terminal command that requires "su" before using, is potentially as disastrous as opening a brief instance of the file manager to do a quick transfer.

But my opinion is also partially based on the fact that I do regular backups, and Zen takes about 7 minutes to completely re-install on my machine, so I can get away with experimenting until something breaks and it's not a big deal. So anyone not using that kind of protocol might be better off being more careful.

[konaexpress]

What the heck, I might as well jump in here.

I LOVE DRAG AND DROP!......that said.........I can understand that a new user would try and download a program and try to drag it into a folder, that is what I did. I did not realize how dependent the OS is on synaptic or the file roller to do this. I just assumed that if I double clicked on a new app that it would somehow call whatever program and it would know what to do. I know that Linux is not the same as OS X but when I download an app, I drop it onto my desktop, double click on it and it installs. Then I will drag the file to my download file for easy storage or I will delete it.

As far a drag and drop onto a panel or a dock goes, that is why I am now using Zen. It fits the industry (perceived) standard better, of how a modern OS should work. People Poo-Poo the bigger OS's(Gnome, KDE) for their size and overhead but they work, and they are still faster than OS X and Windows.

[melodie]

Any terminal command that requires "su" before using, is potentially as disastrous as opening a brief instance of the file manager to do a quick transfer.

Yes on the principle, no on the practical point of view. A mouse can slip easily, hands typing on the keyboard a little less, and most often if the hands slip on the keyboard it will produce a chain character that the shell will not recognize, so all will get will be "rm fime'nty" : command not found, or something close.

to konaexpress : I was precisely thinking to you when I said that, just because not far ago you asked where the programs are stored. I thought you might as well try to install a program the way your are used to do it in other operating systems.

Just for your information : Synaptic is a sophisticated front-end to a program which we also once a while use in a root console. The way it goes is a little special in PCLinuxOS, because Synaptic is the only way to also keep the history of all that has been installed, uninstalled, and updated. You can set up the number of days you want to keep the history, in the menu preferences of Synaptic (section "files"). I like keeping the history. When we use console, it is written in 3 different files in the log section of the system (under /var/log) but there is no file especially dedicated for that, which annoys me a bit. So, → Synaptic.

PS: file-roller does not manage packages. It's an archiver, nothing more.

[konaexpress]

PS: file-roller does not manage packages. It's an archiver, nothing more.

oops!

[Dragynn]

Any terminal command that requires "su" before using, is potentially as disastrous as opening a brief instance of the file manager to do a quick transfer.

Yes on the principle, no on the practical point of view. A mouse can slip easily, hands typing on the keyboard a little less, and most often if the hands slip on the keyboard it will produce a chain character that the shell will not recognize, so all will get will be "rm fime'nty" : command not found, or something close.

Kinda splittin' hairs here now ain't we? Hands slipping on the mouse?

Much more likely that I spill my beer on both keyboard and mouse thus fubar'ing 'em both.

[melodie]

Kinda splittin' hairs here now ain't we? Hands slipping on the mouse?

Much more likely that I spill my beer on both keyboard and mouse thus fubar'ing 'em both.

I am the reverse of you. My mouse could slip on some folders, my beer can't splash the area !

kona-e : np.

[Dragynn]

Kinda splittin' hairs here now ain't we? Hands slipping on the mouse?

Much more likely that I spill my beer on both keyboard and mouse thus fubar'ing 'em both.

I am the reverse of you. My mouse could slip on some folders, my beer can't splash the area !

kona-e : np.

Y'all drink beer in France?

I always figgered you was more of a bor-doh kinda gal all fancy and with good manners an such.

[slax]

Beer is the elixir of life Drank all over the world
In fact, drinking it right now.... and will go out to drink some more xD

[melodie]

Y'all drink beer in France?

I always figgered you was more of a bor-doh kinda gal all fancy and with good manners an such.

In your country people having good manner's can't drink beer ? How queer !

[Dragynn]

Y'all drink beer in France?

I always figgered you was more of a bor-doh kinda gal all fancy and with good manners an such.

In your country people having good manner's can't drink beer ? How queer !

There's people in my country with good manners?

This reminds me of a old joke.....nah...it's too risque and they's ladies present

[ongoto]

PS: file-roller does not manage packages. It's an archiver, nothing more.

oops!

LOL

More geeky gook.....
If a user doesn't already know the name of the application he/she is looking for, how to find it?? Try apropos <keyword> in a terminal.
For example:
apropos zip
apropos whereis
apropos whatis
apropos which
apropos app
...
.etc

If you know the name and need to know where an application is, use whereis appname or which appname. The locate command works too, but it returns too much info sometimes. If you need help with any command, try:
man command or
info command

As you build and install new applications in your system, they don't automatically get included in search databases.
To update the whatis database, run /usr/sbin/makewhatis.
To update the locate database, run /usr/bin/updatedb.
NOTE:
It's best to run umount -a first, before you update any databases, because it could draw information from other mounted partitions, which you don't want or need.


Here's another good article.

P.S. Always keep a bottle handy, in case you should see a snake.....W.C.Fields
Cheers

[123grump]

Y'all drink beer in France?

I always figgered you was more of a bor-doh kinda gal all fancy and with good manners an such.

In your country people having good manner's can't drink beer ? How queer !

There's people in my country with good manners?

This reminds me of a old joke.....nah...it's too risque and they's ladies present

Slax are we gonna have to seprate these two...
In the early days we could put them in different rooms.
But the WWW has made it impossible to separate anything.. Facts <> Fiction
even
Cake Icing <> Bull S_ _t
or
Ape Sh_t <> Apple Butter

[slax]

[knome]

All this started when I was trying to find a program on the hard drive so I could make a shortcut for it on the desktop or in the dock. I had no idea where to tell it to find the program and I still don't!

Dragynn mentioned drag-n-drop from the Menu. This is an important point for a gnome/linux newbie. Always look first for your application in the Menu. If it's not in the Menu then you can follow the other pieces of advice given in the thread.