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Re: Okay, new Zen re-master, a WORKING one, lololol!

Postby don_crissti » Tue May 24, 2011 4:32 pm

I'm assuming it's probably okay to delete stuff like "en_GB" and "en_CA" etc.?

:) I'd refrain from deleting system env locales... basically, any directory under /usr/share/locale containing stuff like LC_NAME, LC_ADDRESS, LC_TIME and so forth... that is, everything in the above list except /usr/share/locale/be-tarask (that one, you can safely remove as it only holds *.mo files, i.e. translation files)
You could always experiment with a test install and remove whatever you might consider useless.
PCLOS is not exactly the best distro when it comes to de-localization, to say the least...
The rpm packaging system uses a macro file to decide which languages to install when a software is added or updated. This file is /etc/rpm/macros.

Well, in our case (en_US-only) the content of /etc/rpm/macros should be something like:

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%_install_langs en_US:en

but I bet it isn't... :)
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Re: Okay, new Zen re-master, a WORKING one, lololol!

Postby Dragynn » Tue May 24, 2011 6:39 pm

don_crissti wrote:
I'm assuming it's probably okay to delete stuff like "en_GB" and "en_CA" etc.?

:) I'd refrain from deleting system env locales... basically, any directory under /usr/share/locale containing stuff like LC_NAME, LC_ADDRESS, LC_TIME and so forth... that is, everything in the above list except /usr/share/locale/be-tarask (that one, you can safely remove as it only holds *.mo files, i.e. translation files)
You could always experiment with a test install and remove whatever you might consider useless.
PCLOS is not exactly the best distro when it comes to de-localization, to say the least...
The rpm packaging system uses a macro file to decide which languages to install when a software is added or updated. This file is /etc/rpm/macros.

Well, in our case (en_US-only) the content of /etc/rpm/macros should be something like:

Code: Select all
%_install_langs en_US:en

but I bet it isn't... :)


Yep, it was a mile long, lol. Per the mandriva wiki it seems okay to prune it, so I did:
Code: Select all
%_install_langs _:en:en_US


Guess i'll leave the other en translations? Just seems REALLY silly to add a bunch of locale files to make sure "center" is spelled "centre" fer some folks...I thought pretty much all I needed to translate Texas English to overseas English, was to substitute "mate" fer "dude". :lol: :lol:
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Re: Okay, new Zen re-master, a WORKING one, lololol!

Postby PinkNinja » Wed May 25, 2011 3:44 am

Will Zen Mini 2011 stays with Gnome2? I'm looking forward to it. Though I have install few application. But from my point of view Zen Mini is faster than PCLOS Gnome DE. Thanks for all developers here. God I wish I could stay with Gnome2 longer. :D
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Re: Okay, new Zen re-master, a WORKING one, lololol!

Postby Dragynn » Wed May 25, 2011 7:18 pm

Now 365.1 mb. 8)

Dumped lomanager and xterm, didn't see a need, anybody have any compelling reasons why xterm should be hanging around? Gnome terminal does everything i need done in a terminal so far.

replaced kernel with 2.6.38.7

Cleaned up some more localization files, most of gnome help had a second copy of the various files in "en_GB" format, I opened one of the largest ones and read it completely through, it was identical except for the word "license" which they apparently spell "licence". omg. :roll:
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Re: Okay, new Zen re-master, a WORKING one, lololol!

Postby Dragynn » Wed May 25, 2011 7:21 pm

PinkNinja wrote:Will Zen Mini 2011 stays with Gnome2? I'm looking forward to it. Though I have install few application. But from my point of view Zen Mini is faster than PCLOS Gnome DE. Thanks for all developers here. God I wish I could stay with Gnome2 longer. :D


I believe Siamer already has a working alpha using gnome 3 :cry: looks like the iGnome is coming to Zen this year. (but not on my box :wink: )
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Re: Okay, new Zen re-master, a WORKING one, lololol!

Postby PinkNinja » Thu May 26, 2011 2:26 am

Dragynn wrote:
PinkNinja wrote:Will Zen Mini 2011 stays with Gnome2? I'm looking forward to it. Though I have install few application. But from my point of view Zen Mini is faster than PCLOS Gnome DE. Thanks for all developers here. God I wish I could stay with Gnome2 longer. :D


I believe Siamer already has a working alpha using gnome 3 :cry: looks like the iGnome is coming to Zen this year. (but not on my box :wink: )


But ma'am if Zen Mini use Gnome3 as default DE, what happen with Zen Mini user like me? I really wish Gnome2 project continues for PCLinuxOS. I didn't want to start distro hopping anymore, or changing my default desktop. I really love Gnome2. :cry:

Guess the Gnome3 devs are all men, coz their brain is separated between thoughts and feelings. :oops:
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Re: Okay, new Zen re-master, a WORKING one, lololol!

Postby Dragynn » Thu May 26, 2011 10:15 am

PinkNinja wrote:
Dragynn wrote:
PinkNinja wrote:Will Zen Mini 2011 stays with Gnome2? I'm looking forward to it. Though I have install few application. But from my point of view Zen Mini is faster than PCLOS Gnome DE. Thanks for all developers here. God I wish I could stay with Gnome2 longer. :D


I believe Siamer already has a working alpha using gnome 3 :cry: looks like the iGnome is coming to Zen this year. (but not on my box :wink: )


But ma'am if Zen Mini use Gnome3 as default DE, what happen with Zen Mini user like me? I really wish Gnome2 project continues for PCLinuxOS. I didn't want to start distro hopping anymore, or changing my default desktop. I really love Gnome2. :cry:

Guess the Gnome3 devs are all men, coz their brain is separated between thoughts and feelings. :oops:


And here I was thinkin' they was all women..... :wink:
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Re: Okay, new Zen re-master, a WORKING one, lololol!

Postby don_crissti » Thu May 26, 2011 1:59 pm

Guess the Gnome3 devs are all men, coz their brain is separated between thoughts and feelings. :oops:

They call it "feelings" now ? :mrgreen:
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Re: Okay, new Zen re-master, a WORKING one, lololol!

Postby PinkNinja » Thu May 26, 2011 4:59 pm

@Dragynn
:D :D :D :D :D Yup, men are more talkative than woman. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Re: Okay, new Zen re-master, a WORKING one, lololol!

Postby Dragynn » Fri May 27, 2011 5:52 pm

Now 365 mb even.

Edited etc/skel to fully update it with recent changes, gnome-mplayer etc. , resized the Avio gdm background .jpg from over 200k down to 60k, replaced the bookmarks.html mozilla file with an updated (smaller one) and in etc/skel. Did some general tweaking and such.

Not sure I can go much further, pretty much done every little tiny thing, only way I really see to reduce further would be to figure out some way to eliminate the rest of extra en_ files in the two main locale files. And another biggie is fonts, don't know what it would be safe to remove, I can't even remove some of the smaller font packages without it wanting to wipe out x-11 or gnome panel or whatever.

Of course, if this was never going on anything but this machine, I could strip drivers too and get a nice reduction.

But a full Gnome desktop with apps to do all basic tasks in half a CD is purty cool I gotta say, I believe I could add Gimp, Inkscape, office programs (maybe all of Libre), chat client, torrent client and at least a half dozen other programs and still make CD size at 700 mb limit.
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Re: Okay, new Zen re-master, a WORKING one, lololol!

Postby PinkNinja » Sun May 29, 2011 4:14 pm

Dragynn wrote:Now 365 mb even.

Edited etc/skel to fully update it with recent changes, gnome-mplayer etc. , resized the Avio gdm background .jpg from over 200k down to 60k, replaced the bookmarks.html mozilla file with an updated (smaller one) and in etc/skel. Did some general tweaking and such.

Not sure I can go much further, pretty much done every little tiny thing, only way I really see to reduce further would be to figure out some way to eliminate the rest of extra en_ files in the two main locale files. And another biggie is fonts, don't know what it would be safe to remove, I can't even remove some of the smaller font packages without it wanting to wipe out x-11 or gnome panel or whatever.

Of course, if this was never going on anything but this machine, I could strip drivers too and get a nice reduction.

But a full Gnome desktop with apps to do all basic tasks in half a CD is purty cool I gotta say, I believe I could add Gimp, Inkscape, office programs (maybe all of Libre), chat client, torrent client and at least a half dozen other programs and still make CD size at 700 mb limit.



Is this the same gamefront link? I can't download it. :(
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Re: Okay, new Zen re-master, a WORKING one, lololol!

Postby Dragynn » Sun May 29, 2011 7:26 pm

PinkNinja wrote:
Dragynn wrote:Now 365 mb even.

Edited etc/skel to fully update it with recent changes, gnome-mplayer etc. , resized the Avio gdm background .jpg from over 200k down to 60k, replaced the bookmarks.html mozilla file with an updated (smaller one) and in etc/skel. Did some general tweaking and such.

Not sure I can go much further, pretty much done every little tiny thing, only way I really see to reduce further would be to figure out some way to eliminate the rest of extra en_ files in the two main locale files. And another biggie is fonts, don't know what it would be safe to remove, I can't even remove some of the smaller font packages without it wanting to wipe out x-11 or gnome panel or whatever.

Of course, if this was never going on anything but this machine, I could strip drivers too and get a nice reduction.

But a full Gnome desktop with apps to do all basic tasks in half a CD is purty cool I gotta say, I believe I could add Gimp, Inkscape, office programs (maybe all of Libre), chat client, torrent client and at least a half dozen other programs and still make CD size at 700 mb limit.



Is this the same gamefront link? I can't download it. :(


It's not the same one, I haven't uploaded the last couple of ones, took out too much in the way of documents, it's more of a personal re-master now, but the version at the link is still up, as far as I know it's still downloadable.

About to change it up again, thinking about building a full flavor version with a number of programs, some office stuff, gimp, etc.

Definitely going to do a new Chromium version as it's still faster and runs video better on my machine, likely add Clementine too, now that there's extra room for those qt depends :wink: , it's still the best player i've used in linux, the built-in multitude of internet radio stations is just too cool of a feature for me.
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Re: Okay, new Zen re-master, a WORKING one, lololol!

Postby Dragynn » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:58 am

Okay, working on Zen-not-so-mini now, lol, starting with my 365 mb iso and building on that, have added some new stuff already after a gawdawful amount of testing different programs and features. Am going back to Exaile as it has some features I just can't get from the lighterweight players (I gotta say, if Deadbeef had a function to import music library, it would be my choice for sure, sound is good and has the best equalizer of any i've tried.

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Exaile

Streamripper- this little cli program kicks butt, with a little tweaking it works great, and now Exaile can use it, though there is an issue of Exaile not saving preferences for file placement, it defaults back to your home file even if you change it, will try to fix somehow...arrgh.

Photorec-file recovery, TestDisk is already included with Zen, so made sense to add this neat little companion program.

Asunder-Cd ripper, I tried a bunch of others, Asunder is very lightweight and worked flawlessly, I have made it the default action to open it when a CD is inserted instead of opening the music player, most of the time the only reason I put a music CD in my computer is to rip it, not to listen directly, so this action seems to make sense. I know rubyripper is probably better for an audiophile, but Asunder is ten times smaller, and works great for everyday use.

Thinking of adding a DVD ripper, there are a lot of limitations to most, and some work better than others, most are complex to use, and don't have the capability to overcome all the DRM stuff (seems like only DVDfab fer windows will do everything), open to suggestion here, but so far, Acidrip seems like the easiest and by far the smallest, it ripped a DVD for me with no problem once I figured out how to tweak the settings. I know it's no longer maintained, but there's a lot of programs out there like that, some of them work perfectly with no real reason to take them any further. I personally don't keep big HD's around to save a bunch of movie files, so don't much need a ripper, but I figure a lot of folks do, any thoughts/feedback on this subject are very much welcomed.

Probably going to add Clamav-Clamtk for AV, don't really need it much myself since I do run linux :wink: , but it actually works great so far in practice, when used on the liveCD to help fix/recover a windoze machine, so if i'm gonna lug around a livecd here and there, might as well have it on there just in case (even though i'm cringing at adding 60-70 mb's just for this one program)

Do most of you even use a photo program like Shotwell? I never do, cdrkit allows my machine to instantly recognize and mount my camera, and I just go to the file and choose what I want to keep manually and delete the rest, but to be of use to other people who I give a copy too, perhaps I should add Shotwell or some other program? I was thinking that having the ability to modify, crop, remove red-eye etc. might be one of the main reasons to have such a program, the alternative is to add Gimp to the iso which will do everything one could want, but Gimp is another big big program, and pretty much no one i've ever installed gimp or Photoshop for, ever uses it. Feedback on this issue very much needed.

Zenmap/nmap- probably going to add this back in, it's not something most people will use, but it's very small and I use it and it's just a groovy little thing :lol:

Xterm- I deleted this, and still don't understand a use for it, anybody have a compelling reason to include it?

Office programs- sheesh, I hate 'em. Abiword and gnumeric are still better than the comparable progs in Libre,OO, or micros**t office. But does anyone use any of them at home whatsoever? Gedit is unbeatable to me for a text editor for everyday personal use. And who uses spreadsheets at home?

Games- Gnome-games is a big batch of 50 mb worth of stuff, but that gets you all the most common time-wasters, lol, and they all work pretty good, even the chess program is tolerable.

Printing- I could add Cups, but really, what good does that do unless you add the whole task-printing package? And that's 450 mb. I think if you have internet access, you just add these things yourself. But cups will recognize another linux-machine that's got a printer attached on a network and utilize it's drivers to print, cool feature, so i'm considering adding the cups package for that reason, and it's only 12 mb's or so, any thoughts on this one?

Samba- f**k samba. nuff said.

Torrents- I look at torrents the same way I do peer-to-peer, great way to get virused by some little troll douchebag. But I do understand that some people use and need them. I am unwilling however, to experiment to find the best one, but I would be willing to include a very small, lightweight, gtk-based app that is easily configurable and above all, reliable, and also as secure as these things can get. Suggestions very welcome.

Any other areas that should be covered in a fairly complete basic system?

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Re: Okay, new Zen re-master, a WORKING one, lololol!

Postby Dragynn » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:45 am

Added:

Asunder
Photorec
Acidrip
Mencoder
Zenmap-Nmap
Gnome-games
Clamav+clamtk gui, edited freshclam.conf, updated signatures
Swapped Exaile back in, set up to record streams with Streamripper
Streamripper
Edited etc/skel for new progs, cleaned out docs even further and locales
Replaced 2.6.38.7 kernel with 2.6.33.7 for stability and to ensure functionality on all machines
Still very very fast, nice low ram usage (~120 mb), programs all tested and chosen for speed, compatibility (gtk), stability, and lightweight/low resource usage.

402.2 mb iso

I think I may add Nvidia and ATI drivers, plenty of room to do so, and go for all-around compatibility with any system I might use it on. Thinking of pre-programming some internet radio stations into Exaile, that is one of the convenience features I really like in Clementine.
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Re: Okay, new Zen re-master, a WORKING one, lololol!

Postby radicallymoslem » Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:24 pm

Dragynn wrote:Added:

Asunder
Photorec
Acidrip
Mencoder
Zenmap-Nmap
Gnome-games
Clamav+clamtk gui, edited freshclam.conf, updated signatures
Swapped Exaile back in, set up to record streams with Streamripper
Streamripper
Edited etc/skel for new progs, cleaned out docs even further and locales
Replaced 2.6.38.7 kernel with 2.6.33.7 for stability and to ensure functionality on all machines
Still very very fast, nice low ram usage (~120 mb), programs all tested and chosen for speed, compatibility (gtk), stability, and lightweight/low resource usage.

402.2 mb iso

I think I may add Nvidia and ATI drivers, plenty of room to do so, and go for all-around compatibility with any system I might use it on. Thinking of pre-programming some internet radio stations into Exaile, that is one of the convenience features I really like in Clementine.


Nice to hear that Dragynn, should we create our own fanpage eh, call it "Gnome 2 for one who care" :lol:
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