[ongoto]

This blog-post is my (hootiegibbon's) rebuttal to O-P’s Thread

http://hootiegibbon.wordpress.com/

[sarcastic_bastard]

Cheers for the link mate, I was wondering WTH was going on.

[slax]

This is truly ¨Drama¨
who is ¨the team¨ now anyway?

¯\(°_o)/¯

I really don't know what are the next steps of pclos community and how our linuxgator community should proceed?
I'll try to contact some of them to check if we have any more tides left with the main pclos hierarchy, and there is some future for pclos gnome release development, or should we simply pull the plug and continue elsewhere.

I was reading the guidelines on remasters on the main forum, and basically we should send any iso we would make for them to consider it official or not.
As you all see, there is a huge trouble to produce the iso in the first place, so there is no need to discourage potential contributors at start.
I don't know is siamer still working on zen or not? i know i don't work on any release sadly.

I enjoy using the gnome pclos, but it's fate is uncertain as i see it....

Maybe the solution would be to start an independent release based on pclinuxos, such as zen is right now, since it's not official.
I'll talk with siamer too to see his pow on this.

cheers friends

[slax]

also i forgot to mention this has also happened before... with the ¨little helpers¨ packagers from the mypclinuxos forum which are now unity linux.
even than there were fighting which resulted in many great devs leaving pclos community....
WTF!?

[sarcastic_bastard]

Yes, it really has been one of those head-scratching dramas we could do without, and leaves us wondering where we stand, and even if we DO still stand. :/

[ongoto]

RE: Pulling the plug.
There's a few who will dig in and try to help users with problems, but for the most part, the main forum looks and behaves like a big sandbox full of disoriented beta testers. I would not miss any of that.

What I would miss most, if we were to pull the plug, would be the repo and the abundance of software out there. It doesn't make much difference whether they approve of Gnome or not. It runs just fine on my system either way. I'm sure it will still boot, even if we had to remove more of the PCLinuxOS branding. The PCLinuxOS name is not going to make us or break us.

My take on all this "drama" :
It has nothing to do with us directly. Our forum is in good shape. We should just ride this out and let the ashes settle where they may. There are active Gnome users on the main forum who just don't announce it. If they should decide to swing our way, amen to that.

[germantux]

Completely agree with Ongoto. If an iso isn't officially sanctioned - so what? Just take away the branding, and tada.

Rebasing is a lot of rendundant work and a waste of time.

I remember the revolt of 2009. Almost all the devs left to create Unity (under the circumstances, I really cannot blame them). But all they did was create a "dev distro." A distro by developers, for developers, and no one else. Three years later they have nothing of substance.

[TheFOSSConvergence]

[melodie]

also i forgot to mention this has also happened before... with the ¨little helpers¨ packagers from the mypclinuxos forum which are now unity linux.
even than there were fighting which resulted in many great devs leaving pclos community....
WTF!?

Hi,

I have noticed several mistakes which have not been recognised as such by their authors, since Texstar has stepped backwards for his health. I can point to typical examples. I have myself been banned because I was considered as one bringing new things for a while then, and did some mistakes I was about to fix (changing the way the installer was available in the Edu version has been the drop over the vase... so what ?)

The mistakes done by the new team was such that official and non official spinoffs where endangered, such as PCLinuxOS Openbox, such as Astronomy built on Openbox Bonsai and even such as Lxde PCLinuxOS. The mistakes, clearly said : not downgrade pcmanfm to a stable version, change the Openbox 32bits package which was working. (The first 2 pages of the related thread which has been removed has a copy in a safe place, which can be provided to anyone who wants to read it). And more recently a simple Thunar file manager needeed several hundreds of depends, then the paste few days the program Calibre and a few more docx and I don't know what python-qt packages where pulled in by programs such as a Kde one, or by a simple task-hp-printing, which is extraordinary.

So the actual official team now feels well, no more "trouble makers". Just a question here : how come there is a separate Gnome website and forum, when any other Linux/Gnu distro has all flavors gathered on the same banner ? Don't I remember a time back in 2009 when the Gnome updates have been endangered by a lack of testing and care towards the Gnome versions ? As you say, all this in pclinuxos is not new !

My idea is such : the Unity team does an interesting job, so I have tested and brought feedback for the Alpha 1 cli 2012 and will do the next when it will be available, because it could be an interesting candidate for a replacement and because the people working there are very nice ! (hi Unity team ! )

The other distributions having potential candidates for a replacement are Sabayon : some devs of their community have packaged openbox-menu, and some other have started to work on a gui Sabayon Control Center, plus created a new gui for the entropy package manager, which should replace Equo in the next months or so.

My interest goes towards all distros which can come close to a rolling release model, easiness for end users, and possibilities to build your own on it. Ubuntu precise as a LTS which will last 5 years is also a candidate for me, and I started to study how to make a Remix From Scratch. And I also did my very first packages : a openbox-menu for Debian, and one for Ubuntu. Still needs some tests and perhaps enhancement, and at same time does work in an Ubuntu install.

To end with, we have been preparing the nest for a new website which will promote all this idea, and have a forum for all : French and English speaking people who want to share and help each other, without distros preferences. This should be ready very next, and will have for name "Linux Village". All will be welcome there under this rule "be polite, be helpful".

Regards to all,
Mélodie

[TheFOSSConvergence]

[konaexpress]

Yikes! That is why I left the main site but I still have a soft spot for this forum.

-John

[slax]

I've used Sabayon for some time, and i did recognized it as a top distro, but it's very unstable imho...
On the same laptop, first install was ok, than later on installer crashed everytime i tried under same condititions...
But will sure become top distro