[sarcastic_bastard]

as I am currently sick as a dog, blocked up, and hardly able to breathe. To those of you who've messaged me, I'm too tired, and my head is too full of cotton wool, to reply to all. I feel like cr*p. Just need some time to recover, and will post when have something to work with, feel far too awful to focus on something like this, hell, posting this is an effort. Apols to all. Will let you know when i'm up and about. For now, bed for me, last several days have been awful, and not feeling like getting better any time soon.

Cheers.

[ka9yhd]

I hope you are feeling better soon.

[melodie]

I hope you are feeling better soon.

+1 !

SB, take good care, rest and take the time you need !

[Dragynn]

When you feel better:

The ldconfig problem needs addressing, just a change of command for opening Synaptic. But also found a problem with /root/.bashrc, that file is incomplete for some reason, and some commands like mkinitrd can't be found when you try to run them.

Here is how it should look roughly (this is mine):

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# .bashrc

PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/lib/kde4/libexec
ENV=$HOME/.bashrc
USERNAME="root"
export USERNAME ENV PATH

# Source global definitions
if [ -f /etc/bashrc ]; then
   . /etc/bashrc
fi

# This line was appended by KDE
# Make sure our customised gtkrc file is loaded.
export GTK2_RC_FILES=$HOME/.gtkrc-2.0
export PS1='\[\033[01;31m\][\u@\h \W]\$\[\033[00m\] '

But the 2011.7 Zen iso only has:

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# .bashrc
# Source global definitions
if [ -f /etc/bashrc ]; then
   . /etc/bashrc
fi

[melodie]

But the 2011.7 Zen iso only has:

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# .bashrc
# Source global definitions
if [ -f /etc/bashrc ]; then
   . /etc/bashrc
fi

Hi Dragynn,
I said it on August 11th:
viewtopic.php?p=20903#p20903

At that moment, had you missed it ?

* lines missing in the root .bashrc:

PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/lib/kde4/libexec
ENV=$HOME/.bashrc
USERNAME="root"
export USERNAME ENV PATH

For the ldconfig error message:

The line to change in the file /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop :

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Exec=gksu -u root /usr/sbin/synaptic

to

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Exec=gksu -l /usr/sbin/synaptic

(it has been explained by siamer at the devel mailing list).

There is still something in gksu that prevents it to work perfectly in some scripts, such as update-notifier and apt-sources-update. (There have been long threads about that at PCLinuxOS forum, one where ongoto and AS have digged in and saw that at some point gksu could call either su or sudo without the user knowing about it).

I have tried replacing gksu by ktsuss in an experimental apt-sources-update package from Leiche, and this worked perfectly, whereas with a gksu command it was not. Yet I am waiting for the developer of ktsuss to provide a tarball for it, as the version now is newer:

http://code.google.com/p/ktsuss

and as this program is in our repos only since last year and is not very much used yet, I was wondering how a request for update would be welcome if there is no tarball and version number, but only a checkout ?

Anyhow in my personal install I replaced also the gksu command by ktsuss to start Synaptic, and the ldconfig error message has never reappeared since.

[Dragynn]

I must have missed your post, Neal even mentioned changing that command to me in a PM and I totally spaced it out. So I may have to start over as I loaded some programs, got the ldconfig error, and didn't bother to note which programs threw up that error....have gotten so many error messages from Synaptic in the last few months that I started ignoring them.

And just to note, Synaptic also still has a bug that causes random letters to change/appear on the ends of sentences in the description column, has been this way for months in all versions.

And it has been many many months since I installed any version of PCLOS, that was able to "see" another install of PCLOS while installing grub, but they all see Windows just fine and add it to grub. I couldn't even just add a grub entry to menu.lst on this install and have it work as I had previously, it refused to go past GDM screen, locking up keyboard and mouse. Had to re-install the whole thing, and install it's grub to it's partition and use chainloader on the main menu.lst to get it to work.

This is starting to be a bit much for even an ardent intermediate user to feel like messing with. I tried an install of a popular green distro, and it didn't have these issues, as they say: the devil's in the details", and there was great attention to detail there.

and as this program is in our repos only since last year and is not very much used yet, I was wondering how a request for update would be welcome if there is no tarball and version number, but only a checkout ?

Good luck with that, I have seen how some people have to talked to you on the main forum at other times when you have proposed some changes, if someone talked to my Lady like that, they'd be picking up their teeth off the pavement.

[melodie]

Hi Dragynn,

This will be a fast answer and if needed I'll try to add more details another time. In Zen mini 2011 I noticed something that had never happened to me before with other versions : I had chosen /dev/sda4 to install Grub in it. The reason is I had a grub menu.lst very well configured on another partition (must be /dev/sda1 : (hd0,0) ) and I usually did a chainload from the main one, so it's very easy to go to the menu.lst of the new installed distro.

On that one hard drive I had only pclinuxos versions, mainly thoses on which I was working on, openbox en and fr, and edu en and fr as well.

Instead of installing grub on /dev/sda4, Zen mini's grub said ok, then ok, it was all ok... and installed itself on /dev/sda1 !

When I did a reboot I was wondering what had happened to my entries... :/

I had to restore Grub (I use the grub commands for that, but to be sure about what I was doing I did that from a Live usb stick with openbox bonsai).

On my side I didn't notice problems with Grub usually, not even after it was updated a few months ago. I have had each times all entries added, I can remember well because each time I delete the additional entries one by one, as I want only to keep the ones for the new install, and chain to it from another Grub already installed before.

So I suggest you may have had a bad update of Grub when the update happened, which could explain what you meet with.

About the ldconfig message error, it's in fact harmless. You can do as if you didn't see them. For the letters in Synaptic post-install I don't know, I have not met with that issue. Next time it happens to you what about bringing the message back to show what it looks like ?

For the people and how they answer : I don't let them think they are right if I don't agree, and when I am the one who is wrong I admit it, and thank for the correction... Else, you also could see that other members came and took my defense when that happened, because they have been long time testers of the Openbox versions now, and know what it has taken up to now to work on them and make them what they are.

(finally I did an answer longer than I thought... if something is still missing, just answer, I'll be notified by mail).

[Dragynn]

About the ldconfig message error, it's in fact harmless. You can do as if you didn't see them.

That's a relief, thanks! I spent quite a few hours over a couple days working furiously on a new re-master, hated the thought of starting over, especially as it's starting to look pretty good I think.

For the letters in Synaptic post-install I don't know, I have not met with that issue. Next time it happens to you what about bringing the message back to show what it looks like ?.

I posted a couple of times about this, never got an answer from anyone, posted a screenshot too. i'll post another one I guess, but haven't heard of anyone else having this problem, so may be some weird hardware quirk on this machine. Guess I should check my other boxes, haven't really looked at them.

[melodie]

I posted a couple of times about this, never got an answer from anyone, posted a screenshot too. i'll post another one I guess, but haven't heard of anyone else having this problem, so may be some weird hardware quirk on this machine. Guess I should check my other boxes, haven't really looked at them.

I also thought (not knowing what it really looks like) that you may be missing some fonts in the system you are working on ? (a very hazardous supposition, I must admit... )

PS: you can ignore the ldconfig error messages, related to the packages you installed, but if you fix the desktop file it will look nicer in your remaster it will have a better look... when not displaying that error message anymore. I say just incase someone else passing by... we do believe less error messages is better !

You agree, don't you ?

[Dragynn]

PS: you can ignore the ldconfig error messages, related to the packages you installed, but if you fix the desktop file it will look nicer in your remaster it will have a better look... when not displaying that error message anymore. I say just incase someone else passing by... we do believe less error messages is better !

You agree, don't you ?

Oh of course, stuff like that is half of what i've been doing on this re-master. Like I posted earlier, I fixed the .bashrc file too, added a bunch of cleaners to Bleachbit etc.

Also have done a lot of work in replacing icons, system had assigned generic icons to programs I loaded (and some default programs) that came with their own specific icons, so I went through and changed dozens by hand. Added "gksu" to nmap command to open as root (you lose features if you run it as normal user). Replaced Chromium icons with the older version that is much nicer. Went back to old net applet icons as I don't like the new ones even a little bit Setting .config files up to use in etc/skel so user does not have to do a bunch of hoo-ha right after boot. Changed color schemes throughout. Changing much in the way of images, the .PNG's used for plymouth, GDM etc. are all huge, 700 kb and more, dropping a lot of them. Making sure that default actions are set for inserting media,....yadayadayada....lots of little stuff, but my goal is to have it as complete and 100% functional and easy to use, with every last detail attended to if possible.

It's another Zen-not-so-mini, with just a few added very basic and stable gtk apps that I have thoroughly tested, a media player, music player, ripper, burner, pdf viewer etc., all basic functions handled, not very different from my 2010 re-masters, just with all new everything, all updates, new kernel, xorg etc.

I did dump a few things from the stock iso...MC, lilo, apturl and some others, replaced gcalctool with galculator etc.

I also programmed my favorite redneck internet radio station (Boot Liquor on SomaFM) into Exaile, gonna leave that on the iso

I'm hoping to again stay under 400 mb, but it's a little harder with the larger 2011.7 iso (thanks xorg ), but we'll see....

[melodie]

Hi,

Who are your isos intended to ?

[Dragynn]

Hi,

Who are your isos intended to ?

me.

also: anyone who might like it/use it/build on it/hack it. I give copies to friends who want to try linux. Also use them on old computers I build from parts now and then.

The journey is more important than the destination. I keep a running monologue going as I build and learn and overcome problems, I try to do so in some detail in hopes that it might benefit others and inspire them to start experimenting themselves, and maybe help to solve some bugs along the way.

that's all.

[radicallymoslem]

Get some rest SB you need it. Zen Mini is still on crossroads between Gnome2 and Gnome3, thought still maintaining Gnome2 we can't avoid Gnome3 to get in our monastery.

New books, new rules to learn. But believe me you're not alone.

[sarcastic_bastard]

Update: I'm alive. Just. Errgh. Had to be dragged off elsehwere, so not at home for next few days, will check in agin when at main pc, which is where I keep everything. Talk again son guys. I have NOT been having a fun time.

*sigh* My immune system seems to be getting as lazy as I am in my old age.

[melodie]

Update: I'm alive. Just. Errgh. Had to be dragged off elsehwere, so not at home for next few days, will check in agin when at main pc, which is where I keep everything. Talk again son guys. I have NOT been having a fun time.

*sigh* My immune system seems to be getting as lazy as I am in my old age.

Hi,
I will wish you better health and taking care of yourself. If you don't know it, I would also point to the fabulous algae which has for name Spirulina (Platensis), that you could eat each morning with your usual breakfast, or a fruit juice. It is wonderful as a plus when we need to enforce our health.

Best to you,
Mélodie