[konaexpress]

I think Slax is still on it, but it is giving him fits I think. Sorry Slax.

[Dragynn]

Okay, that went faster than normal, less to do on a true mini, plus i'm getting a little faster at doing these.
Removed:
midnight commander
lomanager

Dragynn just leave the midnight commander on the iso .

Also... Why would You remove lomanager?

1. No. There are zero reasons to have two file managers on a "mini".

2. Why not? If you like it, add it from the repo, not everybody intends to download and use 500 mb worth of office programs and Java, again, this is a true "mini', a platform on which to build your own system, there are plenty of other re-masters that I have posted that have extra programs, I think I left lomanager on the last one.

But thanks for dropping by Andy, I always appreciate your thoughts even if I don't agree sheesh, I left Fizzlefox on this one, thought that alone would make you happy mozilla fan-boy

[Dragynn]

I will probably consider this a "release candidate" even though it's nice and simple and really pretty complete. What i'm mainly looking for now, is any lingering tiny bugs or pieces of function that aren't quite right, I found two tiny areas that are almost inconsequential, but still worth fixing/improving, perhaps others will find more, if so, please let me know, as I will be running another iso here in a week or two and adding any worthwhile fixes, and detailing them and/or making a patch for those running this iso.

And I do mean bugs, not package/program choices, i'm very happy with what's on there.

[AndrzejL]

Okay, that went faster than normal, less to do on a true mini, plus i'm getting a little faster at doing these.
Removed:
midnight commander
lomanager

Dragynn just leave the midnight commander on the iso .

Also... Why would You remove lomanager?

1. No. There are zero reasons to have two file managers on a "mini".

2. Why not? If you like it, add it from the repo, not everybody intends to download and use 500 mb worth of office programs and Java, again, this is a true "mini', a platform on which to build your own system, there are plenty of other re-masters that I have posted that have extra programs, I think I left lomanager on the last one.

But thanks for dropping by Andy, I always appreciate your thoughts even if I don't agree sheesh, I left Fizzlefox on this one, thought that alone would make you happy mozilla fan-boy

1. Dude... I just gave You the reason... without midnight commander every single iso is useless... it's small and powerful, if You dont want to use it - don't use it but do not remove it from the iso. Really I mean it... Why would it even occur to anyone "hey let's remove midnight commander!"
2. Ok sure no prob. The lomanager can be easily installed. It's not a noob iso so no problem BUT then if zen is not for noobs then I definitely oppose against midnight commander discrimination. I was asking Siamer for months to include midnight commander in the iso and when he finally did person that takes over removes it... sheeeeesh... I had a countless situations when I needed midnight commander on a livecd and I had no internet connection... Hours were wasted for file management which could be saved by mc... Please do not remove it from the iso.

Firefox can be installed easily. If You need Firefox this means Your X server is up and running. Sometimes zen-mini iso is being used not for the install process but simply to quickly boot something light and fix the issue with current install. Console mode will suffice especially on old machines that I own. If there is no mc fixes can take ages. Midnight commander is present on every single official iso... it takes almost no space at all and it allows you to do a shell script load of stuff...

Please do not remove Midnight Commander from the iso...

[Dragynn]

Dude, chill i'm not the person who took over Zen Andy, this is a user remaster, as i've taken great pains to state repeatedly. If you like MC so much, load it and remaster one yourself, or mebbe tell SB, he took over Zen, not me.

Use nano if you gotta edit text in terminal, gnome is not one of the light DE's, a user should be able to do almost everything with a gui, and in X, this isn't a Commodore 64 OS bro, come back to the future

I'm trying to build Zen remasters for ease of use for even beginners and noobs, and build them light, a mini iso to me should be 350 mb or hopefully less, leaving a user the other half of a CD with which to add their own program choices, a nice balance.

But hey, this thread and every thread i've posted, are all not really about my iso's, they are about encouraging other people to re-master their own with the simple easy tools provided by this distro, linux=choice at it's finest!

[konaexpress]

I kinda have to agree with Dragynn, Gnome is for GUI stuff. If a person likes the text and command line stuff, use Openbox or something like it. When I reload Zen, one of the first things I do is uninstall MC and a couple of the command line apps. I only need one terminal app. Just my 2 cents.

[radicallymoslem]

Okay, that went faster than normal, less to do on a true mini, plus i'm getting a little faster at doing these.
Removed:
midnight commander
lomanager

Dragynn just leave the midnight commander on the iso .

Also... Why would You remove lomanager?

lomanager suck, offline install is better. pclinuxos is not developing it's own version of libreoffice. so why do we need that stupid lomanager?

[konaexpress]

Okay, that went faster than normal, less to do on a true mini, plus i'm getting a little faster at doing these.
Removed:
midnight commander
lomanager

Dragynn just leave the midnight commander on the iso .

Also... Why would You remove lomanager?

lomanager suck, offline install is better. pclinuxos is not developing it's own version of libreoffice. so why do we need that stupid lomanager?

Yep, that is another one I uninstall.

[konaexpress]

Hay Dragynn, whats up with the lack of wallpapers? I would give up a couple of mb for a few wallpapers in the download.

I will be back to bust your chops later!

[AndrzejL]

Dude, chill i'm not the person who took over Zen Andy, this is a user remaster, as i've taken great pains to state repeatedly.

That's ok so. I missed the info somehow. In that case I cba...

[Dragynn]

Hay Dragynn, whats up with the lack of wallpapers? I would give up a couple of mb for a few wallpapers in the download.

I will be back to bust your chops later!

Oops

Trying to keep it as mini as possible amigo, I really wanted to add one of the wallpapers you posted on this thread, but I thought that might be a little narcissistic

I figure everybody has their own taste in wallpaper, and will likely change it after a few days (if not a few minutes), so I never put more than one on my iso's.

BTW, saw your post about VB kernel, I have never used VB, so don't have any experience with it, but what does intrigue me, is concepts for new iso's, maybe make one with a focus on VB and development?

[knome]

@ Dragynn... I've just had two failed attempts at downloading your iso using Opera. It's no problem - I'll have a try tomorrow using Firefox.

What I was interested in is how you solved this problem?...

2. When you hit the "lock screen" button in the menu, it locks it, and offers a simple gtk window to input your password etc. to unlock, this is fine, but the problem is, the background is a glaring microsoft blue, which doesn't work at all with the theme. I don't see a background jpg or png for this, so I think gtk is just drawing it blue, and I would like to change that to black. The config file is in /usr/share/gnome-screensaver/lock-dialog-default.ui , and it's basically a type of xml, anybody know gtk enough to help me change this file to add black as the background?

It's been bugging me since you mentioned it.

[Dragynn]

@ Dragynn... I've just had two failed attempts at downloading your iso using Opera. It's no problem - I'll have a try tomorrow using Firefox.

What I was interested in is how you solved this problem?...

2. When you hit the "lock screen" button in the menu, it locks it, and offers a simple gtk window to input your password etc. to unlock, this is fine, but the problem is, the background is a glaring microsoft blue, which doesn't work at all with the theme. I don't see a background jpg or png for this, so I think gtk is just drawing it blue, and I would like to change that to black. The config file is in /usr/share/gnome-screensaver/lock-dialog-default.ui , and it's basically a type of xml, anybody know gtk enough to help me change this file to add black as the background?

It's been bugging me since you mentioned it.

Probably an easier way to do this, some GUI area that I missed, but here's how I did it:

/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml

scroll down to line 189, this is where "<dir name="background"> starts, here's how I modified mine:

<dir name="background">
<entry name="color_shading_type" mtime="1303325812" schema="/schemas/desktop/gnome/background/color_shading_type"/>

<entry name="secondary_color" mtime="1303325812" schema="/schemas/desktop/gnome/background/secondary_color" type="string">
<stringvalue>#000000000000</stringvalue></entry>

<entry name="primary_color" mtime="1303325812" schema="/schemas/desktop/gnome/background/primary_color" type="string">
<stringvalue>#000000000000</stringvalue></entry>

<entry name="picture_opacity" mtime="1303325812" schema="/schemas/desktop/gnome/background/picture_opacity"/>
<entry name="picture_filename" mtime="1303325812" schema="/schemas/desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename"/>
<entry name="picture_options" mtime="1303325812" schema="/schemas/desktop/gnome/background/picture_options"/>
<entry name="draw_background" mtime="1303325811" schema="/schemas/desktop/gnome/background/draw_background"/>
</dir>

Note that color codes are 12 character in this file, it goes by pairs, so if your chosen color is #AD76BE say, then you would enter it as #ADAD7676BEBE.

I haven't tried since then, but I believe opening gconf editor and navigating to desktop>gnome>background and editing the background primary color there, might do the same thing, be sure to re-boot after changing these settings to apply them properly. Let me know if the gconf editor method works willya?

I found other areas that I can't even remember now, that looked like they had something to do with it too, lotsa this mess in gnome, multiple config files that all try to configure the same thing....stoopid stuff, trying to root this extra garbage out bit by bit.

*EDIT* now I remember the other place (i'm bad about documenting stuff, that's why I post so much, so at least it will be here)

/etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_background.schemas

I changed the colors in there too, that may have been what did it, or just overkill...there's like 4-5 other files that also claim to control the desktop background color, it's really insane, I messed with this for literally several hours... ...this is all stuff that could have been fixed and gnome 2 made better, wasted code everywhere....

[knome]

Probably an easier way to do this, some GUI area that I missed, but here's how I did it:

/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml

scroll down to line 189, this is where "<dir name="background"> starts, here's how I modified mine:
..........................

Note that color codes are 12 character in this file, it goes by pairs, so if your chosen color is #AD76BE say, then you would enter it as #ADAD7676BEBE.

I haven't tried since then, but I believe opening gconf editor and navigating to desktop>gnome>background and editing the background primary color there, might do the same thing, be sure to re-boot after changing these settings to apply them properly. Let me know if the gconf editor method works willya?

I found other areas that I can't even remember now, that looked like they had something to do with it too, lotsa this mess in gnome, multiple config files that all try to configure the same thing....stoopid stuff, trying to root this extra garbage out bit by bit.

*EDIT* now I remember the other place (i'm bad about documenting stuff, that's why I post so much, so at least it will be here)

/etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_background.schemas

I changed the colors in there too, that may have been what did it, or just overkill...there's like 4-5 other files that also claim to control the desktop background color, it's really insane, I messed with this for literally several hours... ...this is all stuff that could have been fixed and gnome 2 made better, wasted code everywhere....

Editing the gconf-tree.xml hasn't worked for me. I use the Oxygen-Molecule theme and my lock-screen dialog seems to follow the colours of this theme so that's another config you can throw into the insane mix.

I tried editing the screensaver lock-dialog-default.ui with the Glade3 Interface Designer but I've had no luck with that. I even deleted the lock-dialog-default.ui but a simpler lock dialog still popped up with the Oxygen theme. Weird!

I'm giving up on this... it's too much of a mess!

[konaexpress]

Hay Dragynn, whats up with the lack of wallpapers? I would give up a couple of mb for a few wallpapers in the download.

I will be back to bust your chops later!

Oops

Trying to keep it as mini as possible amigo, I really wanted to add one of the wallpapers you posted on this thread, but I thought that might be a little narcissistic

I figure everybody has their own taste in wallpaper, and will likely change it after a few days (if not a few minutes), so I never put more than one on my iso's.

BTW, saw your post about VB kernel, I have never used VB, so don't have any experience with it, but what does intrigue me, is concepts for new iso's, maybe make one with a focus on VB and development?

OK, try this then.


zen_11-11_dark_102 by The Kona Express, on Flickr